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G'day guys, welcome back to another episode.
Obviously i'm not in the boat anymore, i'm in
Austria, up in the alps. Last couple of episodes we
hauled out the boat in Lombok, Medana Bay Marina.
We did some work on it you saw them. Marie's down
in France i'm in Austria as i said, working, saving
money for the next next trip on the boat. What I
want to introduce you to here in this episode is
an old fellow we met in the marina, Joachim Campe.
Amazing guy! Man we had some good chats, told some
good stories and it turned out that he's
had a pretty amazing life so i decided to do an interview with him.
So that's what this episode is
about. We sat him down in his beautiful old
boat St Michel, the boat he built 45 years
ago and has circumnavigated a few times on and
i think you'll like this interview. He's a pretty
interesting guy so this isn't just an interview it
is an introduction to what's going to be coming
on my channel during the next couple of months.
It turns out that Joachim was the first sailing
family vlogger. In 1977 he decided to build a boat,
take his four young kids and his wife and head
off round on a seven-year circumnavigation.
What was pretty incredible at the time was he filmed it all. 16 millimeter cameras, analog sound recorders,
crazy stuff but he filmed the whole thing in
these 13 episodes, each one about 45 minutes
long, narrated in german but there will be good
subtitles that i'm doing and he shows his
circumnavigation, their experiences visiting atolls and islands that just don't exist anymore.
Cultures in brazil that you don't, they're
just gone, so like incredible incredible stuff
and it hasn't been seen since 1984 when it came
out on tv in Germany so it's a pretty big honour
that he that he let us use all this footage and so
this interview now is just a bit of an intro into
him, what he's doing now and some questions
on the past on things like that so you
get a bit of an idea of what's going to come
up on my channel in the next three months.
Oh no next two and a half months. Anyway enjoy!
So Joachim, in an earlier life you lived in a
town close to Munich in Germany, you had a house
and a job as an architect and a family of four
right? Lived a comfortable life. You're right,
yes i can't deny it. What made you decide to
change all that and take your family sailing
around the world for a long time? I did not want
to get caught in one specific professional
life. At that time I created furniture
and to be really successful I came to the
conclusion that I have to produce them also and
before going into debt and getting perhaps a hall/factory
and employ people and so on I said no, I cannot
decide for this kind of life. I don't want to be
caught in the common life which i saw around me.
The ocean was calling. I always liked sailing
and so with my lovely wife and lovely children
I decided let's go around the world. Just let's
go, so how can we do that? Damn it we don't have
the money, from what we live? I said well,
I make a film. I make a film of our trip
To sail around the world at that time with
children, I think nobody has done so we were
practically the first. What year was this?
It was 1976 and we run into lots of obstacles.
People told me very seriously you cannot do that
it's irresponsible! You shouldn't do it, you're not
even allowed to do it because the law says your
children have to go to school. What do you do with
schooling? I said okay yes I listen to you and
I listened but it didn't change my plan to go
around the world. So the next step you decided to
make a film about it and then that also helped
you finance the trip? Sure it did, sure, I mean
we had to sell our house. We had sold our car,
we sold any any valuable object in fact. But
it helped to deliver i mean yes quite a lot.
My problem was, I hadn't made a film
before. I went to television
station and told them about my project and they
said, well very nice but how do we know you
can do that and it's too risky for us. So did you
tell them you were going to be Learning By Doing?
I had that principle in fact all my life and I
said obviously I can make films and what I did is
I said to myself okay, I will make
a short film, just a short film on my own costs
and everything and at that time the volcano Etna
erupted in sicily and I said from one day to the
next to a friend, I said let's go, let's take the
train, let's go to Sicily. Let's film the eruption
of the Etna and we did that and I brought this
film to television, to the television station
and after some digging and insisting,
an important man in television said okay let's
look at your film. But with not too much enthusiasm.
We went into a big theater like in
the television station have only two people in
with many seats and the film was running and
my hopeful producer after two
minutes of film started talking to me
and I was very hurt by that. I said just shut
up, look at the film! I think nobody had ever
spoken to him like that and he shut
up, was quiet for 15 minutes and at the end
said, Joachim, you have the film. He was very
impressed I was lucky. Would you have still set
off on this trip without the go ahead? Without
the commitment from the tv station I probably
could have not and ah,
it was also a great part of the motivation
because what i told the television and what
really found some interest was that I
said I want to discover the world with
the eyes of the children. I take four
children, I want to film how they see
the world. So then you needed a vessel, how did you come across this beautiful boat?
Well I admired very much at the time
two people, one is called johnny I remember,
the other I can't remember right now, who had
made a trip around the world. Extremely dangerous.
Going to the most exposed parts of the
world in the antarctic and arctic
with a very inappropriate boat which was a plywood
boat. They capsized several times but they made it
and one of those two guys was a gifted
writer and he wrote a book, Damian.
I read this book Damian and I read in
there that they now plan to build a boat
after all the experience they had, the ideal
boat and I said well if they put all the
experience in there, then that is the boat I want
and that was this boat. I went to the yard
and again it helped that I had a television
contract, I told them build me a boat, don't
price me too high and so on. I also filmed
the building of the boat and all that and uh
it was just a big success from the beginning. i loved it! I loved building the boat, I loved talking
to those people. I could see how
they took it, they knew that lives,
our lives were depending on the quality of work they did.
If they make a mistake, I would be suffering and they
saw the children, I showed them the children the
building of the boat and all that. What were some
of the biggest challenges in the first six months
tTeething problems with the boat, children seasick,
second thoughts about doing it?
The biggest challenge was clearly the pressure it put on my
wife because she said to me well I'm terribly
deceived. I thought we go in sunshine, I can have bikini on, we swim in blue water and it
will be all fun and I'm here on the boat and it's
really slavery work! I cook and I help you with
steering and I clean up and I get seasick and the
children are seasick and and and and! It's too much
for me! I feel deceived! I don't
want that. That weighed very heavily on me
and to my
luck later she was so fascinated by the nature we
saw, sailing by the first iceberg. I went to in
fact I went directly to Newfoundland which is an
unusual route from La Rochelle and then
we went up to Labrador and we showered there
under icy waterfalls and fish the
Salmon and she started to enjoy. Yeah and she stuck with me. She went on, she didn't
abandon the ship which could have been. When we
first met we both discovered that we'd been to an
a very special place called Mortlock Island
How did you first hear of Mortlock Island and why
did why did you want to visit? As I made films to
discover the world I did not want to go on regular
sailing routes, I in fact radically didn't
want to meet other sailors so I looked for
out of the way places to find culture which is
not very much touched by the western world .
That was my hope. One of the thing was I looked it up
on the Sea-map and on the chart and the chart noted
position of Mortlock Island not secure, probably five or six mile sea miles more north west
I said wow, if they don't even know the position
there's probably not very many sailors, let's go there.
To my greatest surprise I found from the
first moment this island is Polynesian but it
is in Papua New Guinea and Papua New Guinea is
more Melanesian, it is not Polynesian territory.
But we found in Mortlock pure pure Polynesian
culture. My aim was to film the places with the
eyes of the children but by discovering so much
intensive tribal culture I became myself a child
again so me and the children were the same. We looked at that in awe, in great astonishment,
in admiration. We saw really we
saw lively well there are very different ways
to lead a life ,to believe, to whatever
We loved the music, we loved the dance and
we loved everything that there was. So much
hospitality and and it was all so pure for us.
I became a child and couldn't have enough
of it. Did you learn anything profound from
your time there or your kids for example?
My kids learned one thing, one kind of sad thing
They said "we make good friends and we know we
have to leave them and we'll never see them again"
So they were aware of that
and my eldest son Sylvestre,
I think the first time in his life he fell in
love really, with one of the girls of Mortlock
and it was very hard for him to leave, in
fact what he did when we left, he climbed
at the top of the mast and stayed there
for quite a while to be alone in his grief.
So jumping forward again.
You are very close to completing
another trip around this globe. How has that
been, comparing to the one 30 years ago?
Well I just did three years of
sailing crossing the Indian ocean,
the Atlantic ocean and the Pacific
ocean. Now being here in Indonesia
I must say I did everything much too fast!
Much too fast and I think I cannot make
another trip, probably not so WOW!
Did it too fast! That's my main regret.
Otherwise, yes I'm old, I'm 82 years and
people might think, you don't have the
strength to do things and I can only say
from my experience, if you have
hardships like bad weather on big oceans
and so on, it feeds you strength! It doesn't
take the strength, it feeds it You've lived a
very special life and met many special people in
different cultures, do you feel in general that
life has gone by extremely fast? No,
I think it's quite a long time. No
Where is my result? I didn't make money.
I am not established in any profession really
deeply now. I have no rent, I have no security,
still no security. I never had security and I
have still no security and uh, getting older I must
say, well it would be nice to have more security.
Financial success is overrated
but it's necessary.
You need money! It's difficult
for me. That's a result of
a very very adventurous life and in many
aspects and I can with full heart say I regret
nothing. I would do it again. Well that was going
to be my next question. You say that
you would have more security but to
to have that, obviously you've got to
sacrifice your freedom a lot of the time so would
you change anything? No, exactly i didn't want to
sacrifice my freedom, I was always kind of
perhaps over optimistic. I always said
it will work, we'll do it, even if we were in great
difficulties. Naturally there were bad moments,
there were disappointments like in every life but I don't need to try very hard, I really forget them.
I had so many positive and beautiful
experiences. My memories stick to them and
till now I draw power out of that, I draw power
out of my positive experiences of the past.
Were there any moments where you seriously
thought you were going to lose the ship?
No absolutely not! Absolutely not but the
ship the boat was conceived with security in mind.
So you wouldn't change anything in terms of the boat you're still happy with it 40 years on?
We are in the new age really of sailing
because the new, the brand new boats
are so incredibly fast so that this is just a
completely different way. In my life I was
not interested in speed, I was interested
in arriving safely. If it took 14 days
or 10 days or eight days what the heck it didn't
make any difference to me, but arriving safely
was important and in fact now very late in my
life i went from Valdivia to French Polynesia,
into south of french polynesia in the Ravavai island which is a very far off kind of
and we took 57 days to get there,
we were 57 days on the sea, my longest time.
And even then there was not a moment
of being really worried, we just had
not very favorable winds, sometimes very much
against us, sometimes no wind at all very very very
difficult situations but we made it. we went to Ravavai and had a beautiful time there and again,
wow no other boats. I was the only one there, because it's off the general course.
It's difficult to get to. Would you
have any words of advice or wisdom
to people who are unsatisfied
with their life and have a
hunger for exploration or new adventures perhaps?
I would say, give your emotions priority, not the
logical things. The logical thinking for me comes
after emotions. My emotions decide which path I
take and I would say anybody has the emotion,
great love for the sea, great love for nature,
if this emotion is overwhelming there
should be no choice. Do it! An answer
in some way is always found. It is found, you will find it. Practical means, financial things like
that. You can always find a way? Hopefully Yeah don't worry too much, especially not
if you're young and what I see very much now, i see many retired people who sail the first time.
Yeah i think it's nice but it's a bit sad.
We met more young sailors like you are
40 years ago than now, we do actually. Well there's
more pressure on to make a successful career and
yeah people are at university until they're
30 and then they're paying off the university debt.
That's what I wanted wanted to avoid when I didn't
start furniture production because I did not want
to be caught and that was an overwhelming emotion and I followed that emotion.
okay Joachim, very very cool to hear some of your
adventures, thanks for taking the time. Oh it's a great pleasure!
The episodes you'll see in
the coming couple of months, aren't your typical
YouTube fast snappy transitions, fast edits, music.
You have to remember these were filmed
and edited analog 16 mil, they were edited in
analog studios, the music was different then .
Obviously I personally love it. I think the
different style of filming, there's longer shots,
people had a longer attention span I
guess but you can actually sort of look at them
and think for a second, it's not just tak tak
next shot keep you entertained keep you entertained.
I personally think it's good but it might not be
great for some of the younger viewers here.
I think the footage itself and the narration by
Joachim is pretty incredible and I
hope it keeps your attention because especially
as it gets on as they get into the pacific
and seeing these unique cultures it's
pretty incredible stuff. It's pretty incredible
I also found the first couple of episodes
pretty interesting when they were still at
home building the boat, setting off, talking about
their fears and apprehensions things like that.
Pretty cool, obviously a different time back
then than it is now but pretty interesting and then it just sort of builds up from there so
yeah I hope you'll stick along and
watch all these. Another thing I want to mention.
I'm very very honoured that Joachim allowed me to
to do this. None of this footage has been
seen by the public since it came out on
German tv in the in the early 80s i think, 84
maybe and it hasn't been viewed anywhere else
and it's a pretty big thing emotionally for
him to have this come out again I guess. You know,
seeing his kids all super young and
himself as well and you know their life and
the memories they had and everything it
must be pretty incredible to to re-watch that
and to know that a lot of you guys are
watching it and and finding it awesome as well
I will give you a little bit of backstory on
how I met Joachim. He is just about to finish
another trip around the world and he got into
Lombok and had to be lifted off the boat and
taken straight for emergency surgery. He sailed
over from Sulawesi and on the way over something
in his stomach exploded and by the time he got
to lombok yeah it was all eating him up inside
and he couldn't raise himself or
walk anymore so they took him to hospital in Lombok
and I think he stayed for about a month
in hospital and had multiple surgeries.
He's doing pretty good now. He was getting a
hernia operation just when I left but he's strong
again. He's you know, you're not going to knock this
old fellow down he's a strong guy. True to his
style of life he didn't have any insurance, he's always lived on his own terms on his boat that he
built 45 years ago and all that and say what
you will about you know, looking after yourself
and having insurance and that, he didn't. He had savings, he budgeted quite well for his life
but now those savings have pretty much been
blown away getting operated on, spending a
month in hospital and recuperating for three
months in Lombok so all the proceeds from
the YouTube Ad revenue from putting all these
videos out, I'm giving to him, just because
I feel like I owe guys like him. You know it
paved the way for what we're doing now with
sailing around in a way so I find it's
in a way fair and I'm really happy
that he let me use all this footage to show you
guys. I'm not putting any of this on Patreon
because I didn't make the videos so any of you
Patrons out there or any of you other guys that
support me through Paypal, if you would like to
throw some money onto my Paypal account and that
will go directly to Joachim. Help out with his ongoing medical costs and help him get him to
Thailand to finish his actual circumnavigation.
That would be super super cool. Any little bit
counts you know, two bucks, five bucks, ten bucks, it's
really really going to help him get his life back
in order and I think not even that I just think
the amount of work he did to film his family,
experiencing all these amazing amazing
things that really shaped their lives.
For you guys to experience that now and watch these
videos I think that's worth a cup of coffee
or a nice meal or something like that. So
yeah, be generous, put your hand in your pocket
and throw in some money. The link to my Paypal is
right down here below .dexportphoto@yahoo
You can just put it on there and and I'm going
to give every cent of that back to Joachim and Ad
revenue from my channel during this time is also
going to him so you can feel good about helping
this cause and getting Joachim back on his
feet. Well thanks for watching guys, really really
cool and I hope to read in the comments
what you think about this and especially
the upcoming episodes starting next week. There's 13 episodes. I hope you're going to enjoy them. ByeBye