Only a coupe of months in the water after a fresh coat of bottom paint and the hull is covered in growth. To make matters worse, I applied HARD antifoul paint and its very soft and has in places already disappeared. Three years ago I applied the same brand and paint type(International Ultra 2) and was very happy with how it lasted so applied the same again. A very different outcome this time! Do you think this is acceptable?


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Hi guys. For those of you who watch the channel regularly you'll know that we

try and keep things positive here, we try and inspire you guys to you know, live your best life

and take a few risks and you know not be like just everyone thinks you should be

and so we don't really show the negative things or don't complain a lot basically but this video is a

bit of a complaint so i hope you'll um take that in your stride yeah i feel like this complaint

is legitimate and for the main reason that i have promoted this product and said how happy i am with

this product before on these videos so i just want to show you and clear that up and show you

my experience now with this product so yeah we'll be back to the positive uh videos again next week

i'm going to show you today something i'm pretty unhappy with um it's the anti-fouling on my boat

okay first i'm just going to show you how it looks under the boat now and this is about a month after

i scrubbed it completely clean and three and a half months after the paint was applied

so

right now i'm going to go down and give it a scrub with this very soft sponge it's got a

nothing on it just very soft sponge the last time i had this paint on i could

scrub it with much much coarser sponge than this but just to be clear this is a very soft sponge

so

here along the waterline you can see second time cleaning already through to the red

paint from the last coat and that after three months being in the water of a hard anti-fuel

that is not a hard antifa it's coming off even more than a blade of andy fill i can see

the red paint on all of these patches coming through this is not what it's supposed to be

foreign

clouds of blue paint coming off tell me again this is hard and he fell

okay guys i guess you get the idea here four years ago before i left australia i redid the

anti-fowling i put on an international ultra two in red it's a hard andy fell

scrubbable uh racing sort of paint and all the way through the solomon's png and then three years

in indonesia it lasted well i would go down with a sponge and clean it every couple of months and

most everything came off there was hardly any hard growth on there was mostly just sort of a green

slime and it lasted well i hauled out in lombok in uh november of 2020

and they didn't have a water blaster it was all just done with a hose and scrub and it came off

like basically new i sanded it all the whole hull applied in may 2021 international ultra ii in blue

which i purchased from jakarta indonesia i put two coats of that on i waited about five days or

five to seven days i can't quite remember and put it back in the water uh without thinking anything

of it i didn't look under the boat uh until two months down the track in this time we've done

about a thousand nautical miles sailing sort of every second day 50 to 70 miles so we're always on

the move and yeah after about two months of that uh sort of nearly daily sailing i decided to look

under the boat and see how it was doing and we're sort of pretty shocked to find a lot of muscle

growth a lot of small barnacles and yeah fully slime so i got a sponge and started to clean it

and yeah a lot of blue coming off i was covered in blue paint all over my shirt all over my hands

and in places you could see the red paint coming through already i was very very disappointed and

uh yeah contacted international in jakarta who said yeah this is just

what it is but then i got contacted by the sales manager from southeast asia

international er based in singapore and i made a little video for him

and yeah after a couple of months of this and that and backwards and forwards he still sticks to the

point that this is just what it is but there's been so many emails backwards and fours that sort

of say one thing and then the other oh it's a new formulation the same paint but a new formulation

i know it's the same formulation uh nothing changed but this is still how it should be

uh i just don't agree with that it's supposed to be a hard anti-fail it's supposed to be scrubbable

if you look on the international website it says they're black and white this paint is non

self polishing it is not ablative it is possible to scrub it it is a scrubbable paint and yeah you

cannot scrub it it's just it's gone it's through to the red in many places and it doesn't even seem

to work as you can see what i showed you today is it's three months old three and a half months old

and i've already completely cleaned it once about a month ago so this is gross from a month

and yeah you can see the red coming through you can see the clouds of blue smoke coming

off it's all over my hands again and uh it sort of acts like an ablative polish self-polishing

paint apart from it's not even working because there's growth everywhere so

yeah really disappointed with this paint um still emailing backwards and forwards with

international trying to come to a conclusion um they have offered a replacement tin of paint

which is obviously i've declined because i don't want to put that paint on again

might be the same thing and as i've tried to explain to them it's not really the

paint that's the cost here in indonesia there's only three or four haul out locations

from where i am now to go and haul out would be a thousand nautical miles and then the hall out

is about three times the price of what it is in australia uh i would have to remove all of this

paint because you can't paint you can't paint new paint on top of rubbish paint so all the all those

costs add up to the paint itself being about maybe 20 of the costs so offering me a free tin of paint

that i don't want doesn't really help me anyway the reason i'm making this video is that

i in the past i have talked really good about international ultra too because yeah i was really

really happy with it lasted three and a half years in all sorts of different water conditions really

equatorial super hot water all the way down the great barrier reef

all the way to lombok lots of different water conditions and it was great it was better than

i expected and i've talked about this in videos and i know of a few people who have put this paint

on their hulls because of what i've said and i always stood by that until now and i have to

say that i wouldn't recommend it now i'm not saying that it's going to be bad everywhere i'm

not sure if this is just an indonesian batch or whether it's just a bad batch but the fact that

the representatives from international claim that this is just normal and how it should be

that's made me lose confidence in it so um yeah take take this as you wish but i'm just showing

you my uh experiences with this paint in a real world condition we're living on the boat full

time we're traveling all the time and this is this is what we're seeing with this paint right guys it

has been a month now since i edited the first part of this video so everything you've seen until now

was a month ago i haven't put the video out i'm still communicating with with um international the

latest thing they've requested is a sample of the paint they want me to scrape off a little sample

and send it to them uh it should be dry paint they said it would be better if i had to hauled out and

you know sent them a sample i said there's no way i'm hauling out the boat to send them a sample

but anyway uh sort of hard to get a dry sample here because we've been in rolly anchorage isn't

it i don't have a huge excess over the water line so that you know the antifa is always a bit wet

but we're in a very calm place today so i might be able to scrape a bit off

anyway i'm going to jump over the side and look at the bottom it's been a month now as i said

since i last cleaned the boat after i filmed that bit complaining about it all i gave it a scrub so

we're going to see now what's grown on this boat in 30 something days 33 days or something or other

um and yeah so the antifail is now about four months old one thing the there is one good way

to sort of see the difference here so i have a sail drive and on a sail drive you need to use

a different anti-foul so one that has no copper or metals in it so i used um one that was left in

the boat shed for a couple of years at madonna bay marina and uh though so the whole sail drive and

the 50 centimeter square around it on the hull is done with a different anti-fel and we're about to

see the difference between the international hard anti-fowl and this ablative antifoul

with no copper in that i put around the sail drive so we're going to check out that as well

all right let's go the water's very clear here so we should get a good view of what's going on

so

so

so

all right guys we'll finish up the video there i think you all should have sort of

got the gist of what i'm trying to say here um i don't want people to get hung up on the fact

that andy fell's not working the main point for me is that i wanted hard anti-fail i applied a

supposedly hard anti-fel the hard antifa used last time i was more than happy with

and just the difference this time it is not hard it is just coming off in clouds as you can see

added on to that it doesn't seem to even act as an anti-foul because there shouldn't be

that much growth on the boat this quick after the initial application and after cleaning every time

but that's secondary first thing is it's a hard andy fell that is not a hard andy fell anyway

i sort of feel a bit bad putting this negative video out here on sailing learning by doing we

we try to inspire you guys um you know we have a great life and we want to sort of be positive

and show that to you guys that you know life's good you know but in this case it's a rare it's

it's a rare one it's actually the first one i've probably put out that's a bit negative but i i

find it justified in this case and i hope you guys will um yeah put up with it and look forward to

next week where we'll be back into the positivity and the good vibes anyway i'd really like to

hear your comments on this um obviously a lot of people have problems with andy fell and you know

different water different conditions around the world some works better some doesn't work better

i know that everyone has their favorites they've tried it and this and that and it is like that

you know you if you sail in chesapeake or if you sail in new zealand or fiji or wherever there are

anti-fowls that work better than others and i have used different anti-fowls and i have sold in lots

of different places this isn't about that this is just about the fact that it's it's not doing you

know it's like you uh order a hamburger and get um tortellini you know it's just something different

yeah i really look forward to your comments down below here and and i'm going to post this on quite

a few forums around the place because i really want this to get out there i think this is uh

pretty important for people to see anyway see you next week we'll be more smiling next week bye