Only a coupe of months in the water after a fresh coat of bottom paint and the hull is covered in growth. To make matters worse, I applied HARD antifoul paint and its very soft and has in places already disappeared. Three years ago I applied the same brand and paint type(International Ultra 2) and was very happy with how it lasted so applied the same again. A very different outcome this time! Do you think this is acceptable?
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Hi guys. For those of you who watch the channel regularly you'll know that we
try and keep things positive here, we try and inspire you guys to you know, live your best life
and take a few risks and you know not be like just everyone thinks you should be
and so we don't really show the negative things or don't complain a lot basically but this video is a
bit of a complaint so i hope you'll um take that in your stride yeah i feel like this complaint
is legitimate and for the main reason that i have promoted this product and said how happy i am with
this product before on these videos so i just want to show you and clear that up and show you
my experience now with this product so yeah we'll be back to the positive uh videos again next week
i'm going to show you today something i'm pretty unhappy with um it's the anti-fouling on my boat
okay first i'm just going to show you how it looks under the boat now and this is about a month after
i scrubbed it completely clean and three and a half months after the paint was applied
so
right now i'm going to go down and give it a scrub with this very soft sponge it's got a
nothing on it just very soft sponge the last time i had this paint on i could
scrub it with much much coarser sponge than this but just to be clear this is a very soft sponge
so
here along the waterline you can see second time cleaning already through to the red
paint from the last coat and that after three months being in the water of a hard anti-fuel
that is not a hard antifa it's coming off even more than a blade of andy fill i can see
the red paint on all of these patches coming through this is not what it's supposed to be
foreign
clouds of blue paint coming off tell me again this is hard and he fell
okay guys i guess you get the idea here four years ago before i left australia i redid the
anti-fowling i put on an international ultra two in red it's a hard andy fell
scrubbable uh racing sort of paint and all the way through the solomon's png and then three years
in indonesia it lasted well i would go down with a sponge and clean it every couple of months and
most everything came off there was hardly any hard growth on there was mostly just sort of a green
slime and it lasted well i hauled out in lombok in uh november of 2020
and they didn't have a water blaster it was all just done with a hose and scrub and it came off
like basically new i sanded it all the whole hull applied in may 2021 international ultra ii in blue
which i purchased from jakarta indonesia i put two coats of that on i waited about five days or
five to seven days i can't quite remember and put it back in the water uh without thinking anything
of it i didn't look under the boat uh until two months down the track in this time we've done
about a thousand nautical miles sailing sort of every second day 50 to 70 miles so we're always on
the move and yeah after about two months of that uh sort of nearly daily sailing i decided to look
under the boat and see how it was doing and we're sort of pretty shocked to find a lot of muscle
growth a lot of small barnacles and yeah fully slime so i got a sponge and started to clean it
and yeah a lot of blue coming off i was covered in blue paint all over my shirt all over my hands
and in places you could see the red paint coming through already i was very very disappointed and
uh yeah contacted international in jakarta who said yeah this is just
what it is but then i got contacted by the sales manager from southeast asia
international er based in singapore and i made a little video for him
and yeah after a couple of months of this and that and backwards and forwards he still sticks to the
point that this is just what it is but there's been so many emails backwards and fours that sort
of say one thing and then the other oh it's a new formulation the same paint but a new formulation
i know it's the same formulation uh nothing changed but this is still how it should be
uh i just don't agree with that it's supposed to be a hard anti-fail it's supposed to be scrubbable
if you look on the international website it says they're black and white this paint is non
self polishing it is not ablative it is possible to scrub it it is a scrubbable paint and yeah you
cannot scrub it it's just it's gone it's through to the red in many places and it doesn't even seem
to work as you can see what i showed you today is it's three months old three and a half months old
and i've already completely cleaned it once about a month ago so this is gross from a month
and yeah you can see the red coming through you can see the clouds of blue smoke coming
off it's all over my hands again and uh it sort of acts like an ablative polish self-polishing
paint apart from it's not even working because there's growth everywhere so
yeah really disappointed with this paint um still emailing backwards and forwards with
international trying to come to a conclusion um they have offered a replacement tin of paint
which is obviously i've declined because i don't want to put that paint on again
might be the same thing and as i've tried to explain to them it's not really the
paint that's the cost here in indonesia there's only three or four haul out locations
from where i am now to go and haul out would be a thousand nautical miles and then the hall out
is about three times the price of what it is in australia uh i would have to remove all of this
paint because you can't paint you can't paint new paint on top of rubbish paint so all the all those
costs add up to the paint itself being about maybe 20 of the costs so offering me a free tin of paint
that i don't want doesn't really help me anyway the reason i'm making this video is that
i in the past i have talked really good about international ultra too because yeah i was really
really happy with it lasted three and a half years in all sorts of different water conditions really
equatorial super hot water all the way down the great barrier reef
all the way to lombok lots of different water conditions and it was great it was better than
i expected and i've talked about this in videos and i know of a few people who have put this paint
on their hulls because of what i've said and i always stood by that until now and i have to
say that i wouldn't recommend it now i'm not saying that it's going to be bad everywhere i'm
not sure if this is just an indonesian batch or whether it's just a bad batch but the fact that
the representatives from international claim that this is just normal and how it should be
that's made me lose confidence in it so um yeah take take this as you wish but i'm just showing
you my uh experiences with this paint in a real world condition we're living on the boat full
time we're traveling all the time and this is this is what we're seeing with this paint right guys it
has been a month now since i edited the first part of this video so everything you've seen until now
was a month ago i haven't put the video out i'm still communicating with with um international the
latest thing they've requested is a sample of the paint they want me to scrape off a little sample
and send it to them uh it should be dry paint they said it would be better if i had to hauled out and
you know sent them a sample i said there's no way i'm hauling out the boat to send them a sample
but anyway uh sort of hard to get a dry sample here because we've been in rolly anchorage isn't
it i don't have a huge excess over the water line so that you know the antifa is always a bit wet
but we're in a very calm place today so i might be able to scrape a bit off
anyway i'm going to jump over the side and look at the bottom it's been a month now as i said
since i last cleaned the boat after i filmed that bit complaining about it all i gave it a scrub so
we're going to see now what's grown on this boat in 30 something days 33 days or something or other
um and yeah so the antifail is now about four months old one thing the there is one good way
to sort of see the difference here so i have a sail drive and on a sail drive you need to use
a different anti-foul so one that has no copper or metals in it so i used um one that was left in
the boat shed for a couple of years at madonna bay marina and uh though so the whole sail drive and
the 50 centimeter square around it on the hull is done with a different anti-fel and we're about to
see the difference between the international hard anti-fowl and this ablative antifoul
with no copper in that i put around the sail drive so we're going to check out that as well
all right let's go the water's very clear here so we should get a good view of what's going on
so
so
so
all right guys we'll finish up the video there i think you all should have sort of
got the gist of what i'm trying to say here um i don't want people to get hung up on the fact
that andy fell's not working the main point for me is that i wanted hard anti-fail i applied a
supposedly hard anti-fel the hard antifa used last time i was more than happy with
and just the difference this time it is not hard it is just coming off in clouds as you can see
added on to that it doesn't seem to even act as an anti-foul because there shouldn't be
that much growth on the boat this quick after the initial application and after cleaning every time
but that's secondary first thing is it's a hard andy fell that is not a hard andy fell anyway
i sort of feel a bit bad putting this negative video out here on sailing learning by doing we
we try to inspire you guys um you know we have a great life and we want to sort of be positive
and show that to you guys that you know life's good you know but in this case it's a rare it's
it's a rare one it's actually the first one i've probably put out that's a bit negative but i i
find it justified in this case and i hope you guys will um yeah put up with it and look forward to
next week where we'll be back into the positivity and the good vibes anyway i'd really like to
hear your comments on this um obviously a lot of people have problems with andy fell and you know
different water different conditions around the world some works better some doesn't work better
i know that everyone has their favorites they've tried it and this and that and it is like that
you know you if you sail in chesapeake or if you sail in new zealand or fiji or wherever there are
anti-fowls that work better than others and i have used different anti-fowls and i have sold in lots
of different places this isn't about that this is just about the fact that it's it's not doing you
know it's like you uh order a hamburger and get um tortellini you know it's just something different
yeah i really look forward to your comments down below here and and i'm going to post this on quite
a few forums around the place because i really want this to get out there i think this is uh
pretty important for people to see anyway see you next week we'll be more smiling next week bye